207 comments to Paypal Currency Exchange – USD to CAD Workaround

  • Thanks for the awesome tip. Like you, I have been getting stung. I used to be part of the Royal Bank but I left them because I got tired of their bad service and attitude. Plus their fees were really high. If this is the only way to save on Paypal fees though, I guess I might just have to go pay them a visit. Thanks for the very valuable information.

    • The eCommerce account is most intriguing to me. As long as I can go to the bank once a month i’m likely OK with that account.

      I will need to get the account data to XETrade and Knightsbridge to handle foreign exchange.

  • Great job finding a workaround! Now you can keep more money in your pocket.

  • Freddie @ Invest With Passion

    Paypal fees suck, period. To have to pay an addition fee to transfer or convert each time would really suck. Glad you found a solution to get around this issue. Each dollar saved is a dollar earned.

    Well done!

    • brent

      spf did provide a method of getting a $us paypal balance out of Paypal and into my canadian bank $us account—A whole new problem has arisen—paypal is automatically converting all client payments in $us into a $ca paypal balance—-simply because you have canadian paypal. This is what they are doing to me regardless my adding a us based bank account with a new york city routing number and made $us my priority payment. I had to link my visa of course but have no linked canadian bank—-still they convert all payments received and have made it more difficult to make online purchases through paypal–since i’m unable to keep a $us balance -Has this happened to many others??

      • I withdrew $10 USD (no fees / conversion from Paypal) to my RBC USD eSavings account ($10 USD deposited) in the last week.

        I have had USD transferred into my Paypal account as USD (no fees / conversion from Paypal) this week as well.

        I can only describe my experience. I am not a Paypal expert.

  • Geez, that can really eat into your revenue! Being in the US, I haven’t been exposed to that issue, but can appreciate how that can impact you guys. That’s almost like an extra 2.5% tax right off the top for folks in Canada. Glad you’re able to find a resourceful workaround.

    I’ve been hit with fees converting into US currency, so can somewhat relate.

    • Ya, CDNs get the short end of the stick on taxes and worse on our purchases. Our Subaru Outback cost 20+% less buying in the States than the same car here in Canada. And that was even with a close to pay, but not quite there, exchange rate.

  • Hunter @ Financially Consumed

    I wouldn’t be happy with losing 2.5% on currency exchanges either. That would really add up to a massive charge over the course of a year. t seems like you have an excellent solution here.

  • This is great information, SPF! 1% is better than what PayPal is charging.

  • Always seemed to me that Paypal charged even more than 2.5% because I always felt my credit card gave better exchange rates than Paypal. I thought I had tested this before but the numbers always favoured the credit card.

    Checking their website it’s clear to see that it is listed as 2.5%. I guess you get rewards on your credit card (I’m talking for purchases) so that still beats Paypal anyday. I wonder if the spot rates they use are identical to those used by the CC companies or if they skim a little bit there somehow too?

  • Very nice! Do you know if it would work with Scotia Bank? I have always done US wire transfer with e-trade US for the company stock. I probably would have to find a US routing number …

    So far, I have left everything in the PayPal account … That’s how I avoid the fees :) It’s adding up though.

  • Excellent piece of info, I as well hate those fees paid to paypal. However, I am disappointed that the solution has to pass by RBC, I just don’t like this bank and do not consider doing business with them anytime in the near future. Hopefully, another way around is found!

  • Actually, the trick is to use a Swift Code. That’s the formal name of the code SPF found. I have used that with Scotia Bank to do US wire transfer from e-trade. You are essentially doing a wire transfer rather than a bank to bank transfer I believe.

    The wire transfers are manually processed out of New York for Scotia Bank. I get a signed paper in the mail a week after the transfer. The Swift Code is international and all the banks should have it.

    The key here that SPF found is how to trick the entry forms from Pay Pal :)

    The thing is that I usually have a 10$ fee on a wire transfer at my bank though. I am trying it out now to see
    1. if it works
    2. if I will be charged a fee

    Cheers.

  • Yes very timely read. My experience is same but have avoided some fees but withdrawing more than $150 but the exchange rate is the killer they have a hefty buffer. Fees on the way in and fees on the way out …

  • So far so good….thanks have been looking for a way to save on the exchange and this has appeared to work…just waiting for the confirmation amounts.

  • Thanks SPF, I finally set this up today and am in the process of transferring some US funds out of my Paypal account as we speak!

  • Awesome! I think it worked perfectly! My future traveling self wanting to access USD is thanking you right now!

    I was able to do the whole process online because I already have an RBC account thru my mortgage, which is great!

    Thanks for the great tip :)

  • verdri

    You can exchange Paypal US dollars for free to Canadian dollars using coineta.com They don’t charge any fees

  • Kyle

    Does this work with TD Bank USD chequing?

  • Just wanted to say again that these tips are awesome; I’m sure RBC is also happy at having a new customer. ;) They’ve been pretty good for me so far.

  • Leslie

    Does this still work? I have tried a couple of times and they keep coming back as ” bank account invalid”

    • This is the first I have heard it may not work. Are you using a RBC account and the appropriate routing number (U.S.)?

      • Leslie

        Yes. Last time I just put “rbc” instead of the full name but otherwise I had all the correct info. I will try again. Not sure if they lock you out after failed attempts…. I contacted the help desk via email and they said usd accounts at Canadian banks aren’t supported at this time…

  • waldo

    Great tip! How long did it take before you saw the money in your US account?

  • Kevin

    Thanks so much for this tip,i’ve always want to do this and did not know how till i came across this blog,i’ve open a U.S chequing account with RBC on monday this week and i added it to my papyal the same day with all the info that was explain in this blog,and today is thursday i was able to confirm my paypal account,it only take 3 days now i’m so happy i can transfer my US money to my bank account with out being charge those exchange rate fees.Thank you

  • Great guide, I’ll be following it this week to avoid (or at least reduce) a lot of currency conversion expenses. I have an ING business account where I already do the conversions whenever I can. Currently ING is quoting $1.012 to buy and $0.983 to sell, which looks like a spread of 2.9 cents or a cost of 1.45% for a single conversion. Do you get a much better deal than that with knightsbridge or xetrade?

  • ace

    Great solution and thank you for sharing. Can it be done with a BMO US account?

  • Oliver

    It worked thank you. I’ll just have to wait for the American dollar to get stronger now.

  • Roger

    I tried it – it failed the first time but worked the second time – I had put a hyphen between the two bank numbers, which causes an error – the bank returning a message that such an account number is not valid. Found some clarifying information at:
    http://forums.redflagdeals.com/linking-canadian-bank-usd-savings-account-paypal-928670/#post12511885

  • MIni

    Hi, I’m just wondering, my RBC account name is different than my paypal name. Will that matter?

    Thanks

  • Mini

    I checked with RBC, is it the called the RBC US High Interest eSavings® or US Personal?

  • I have a very similar problem with Euro’s. Does anyone know if this approah using RBC will work for Euros to CAD?

  • Mini

    It worked!! Thanks everyone. Going to transfer the money now.

  • galand

    I was in RBC to check this out before I read your article. They claim to have a Canadian $US account and a US $US account. I am reaching 60 so the Canadian account is free but the US account has a fee. I am assuming that you are using the Canadian account and using the US transit number. I am surprised that RBC would allow that.

  • John

    Hi, i have a RBC canadian CAD & usd account and i have a RBC US usd account. Will that routing number 026004093 work with my RBC canadian usd account OR my RBC US usd account.

    In other words, when entering the account number and transit number,should i enter the RBC canadian usd account or the RBC US usd account.

    Just wondering how the routing number can work with the RBC canadian usd account since it is part of the canadian branch.

    Thanks

  • Shawn

    Thanks for the great workaround!

    Any Idea if this will work the other direction? Sending money in USD from the RBC account to a US bank?

  • pete

    Can’t believe this actually worked using a foreign routing number.

    Thanks!

  • Maria

    Does it still work?

    I read on another forum that as of July 2013, Paypal closed the loophole, and banned the transit number of RBC. Is that true? Has anyone tried it in the last weeks?

    I would like to know before going to RBC and opening a bank account.

    Thank you!

  • Cipher

    I just tried to add the account today. The RBC us routing number doesn’t seem to work any more. I was only able to add it as a Canadian bank.

    • Cipher

      I got it to work after a few trial and errors! I had to use a US Paypal account (when registering, the address had to be in the States). I then transferred my USD from my Canadian Paypal account to my US Paypal account. And then withdraw from my USD Paypal account to my USD RBC savings account.

    • Cipher

      The RBC branch showing up with the US routing number is:

      ROYAL BANK OF CANADA
      4TH FLOOR
      NEW YORK
      10006

  • RG

    Hi thanks for this. Is the 2.5% fee ‘hidden’ in their currency conversion rate (Searching today I stumbled on a site implying that, I can paste the link but don’t want to spam) or is it on top of it? Reason I ask is when I tried to withdraw today and used the currency converter (on the page where you enter the withdrawal amount) it was almost exactly 2.5% less than reported on business sites.

  • Tracy

    I was wondering if the workaround is still working? Has anybody done it lately? Also, if you are indicating that the bank is in the US, does this mean the PayPal info will be sent to the IRS and what kind of tax implications will this have?

  • Tracy

    Thanks for the feedback, disappointing as it is. Any advise on the best bank to use for small business and how to handle a business that charges in US$? Do I just have to suck up paypal’s 2.5? Would it be worth my while registering my business in the US too since I need to submit returns for the US anyway

  • Kevin

    Just a heads up to anybody still trying to figure this out: if it wasn’t working before for anybody, then I would suggest giving it another try. It’s working again.

    I went through the entire process in the last couple of weeks. For a while, PayPal wouldn’t let me add a “USA” account. This past Friday, I decided to give it another shot and adding the account finally worked. I confirmed my deposits on Monday and then did a test transfer of $50 to my eSavings account. The amount showed up a few hours ago.

  • Travis

    What am I missing here? Paypal’s exchange rates are better than RBCs.

    As of today, USD -> CAD
    xe.com: 1.12394
    PayPal: 1.0954 (-2.5%)
    RBC[1]: 1.0861 (-3.37%)

    What’s the point of transferring those US dollars into an RBC account? If you ever want to use those funds in Canada, you’ll be charged RBC’s 3.37%.

    [1]http://www.rbcroyalbank.com/cgi-bin/travel/currency-converter.pl

    • The RBC USD esavings account holds USD which you then convert using a fx serivce other than RBC. No fees to RBC.

      • Travis

        If a third party service is actually required to beat Paypal’s exchange rate then isn’t that a critical part of the workaround?

        What are some examples of exchange services? By how much do they beat Paypal’s 2.5%? Do these services have any additional fees?

        • Tom

          You can walk out of any Canadian RBC branch with US cash physically in your hand and take it to any currency exchange business that you wish to deal with. There are many to choose from that beat the bank’s rates. With my RBC US account, I’m allowed one withdraw per month without any charge.

          I have been using Kantor to exchange into Canadian funds.

          I have been doing this monthly now for years – thanks to this article.

  • r

    this article is great but works against itself. its the first thing to pop up on google when you type in “paypal exchange cad usd”, which everyone does since paypal doesnt show xchange rates on their website. so rbc or paypal will see this article and fix their loophole. time to delete this article

  • John Robertson

    I’m trying the following US routing number for TD CanadaTrust – 026009593 – that is the BOA (Bank of America) number for wire transfers from the US to my TD US$ account. Then I put the branch number and account number as a single long string of digits and PayPal seemed to accept it as a US bank.

    I have both a US$ and Can$ account on PayPal, I use PayPal US (.com) and not any other. I also have a US shipping address that is registered with PayPal.

    So, we shall see if this works, but it won’t be until sometime next week as I wasn’t prepared to give PayPal my login info for my TD account and opted for the small deposit option. I’m doing this on a Saturday and it takes a few days to go through the system…I’ll report back if I get a chance…

    This may also work for Euros – but you will have to figure out the Euro routing number, etc. on your own.

  • Now that the Canadian dollar value has dropped relevant to USD, I thought this would be a good time to transfer some USD to Can $. When I recently moved $1000 USD to my Canadian bank account I thought I was getting a nice exchange rate “bonus” when about $1200 showed up in my bank account. Today I looked at my paypal balance and see that they withdrew the $1200 from my balance, which does not make sense to me! Am I all backwards on this exchange thing or did I get ripped off??? Please RSVP to my email address in case i miss this if you have an answer.

  • Shaun

    you can also use a Chase Amazon.ca credit card.

    They charge no additional fees for currency conversion.

    The VISA exchange rates are a little higher than actual, but I’m sure they are inline with .5-.75% you mentioned in your article.

  • matt

    Has anyone figured out how to make this work with Scotiabank as well? I would eventually need this money in a scotiabank USD account so it would be a pain to have to transfer paypal to RBC to Scotiabank.

    Also has anyone set up the RBC account with paypal lately? Reading forums it sounds like it’s been on and off.

    • I am fairly certain it won’t work with any bank other than RBC. I read on redflag the other day that RBC is still working.

      • Dave

        Txs for the reply above, and this update SPF. I’ll give it a try next week and update when I find out.

        • Dave

          An update on my Paypal withdrawal and RBC account set up. This solution worked great for a larger transfer for me, Txs Sustainable. I actually went with the US Direct Checking option that was offered even though its a few extra $s a month. I choose figuring the Canadian checking option would work, but the US one might have the best chance. It also allows me to withdrawal US $s from US basd RBC ATMs, which should balance out the extra monthly charges if I make a trip or two each year.

  • Alexandra

    Another way for Canadians to save money when transferring money internationally is to open up a CANADIAN FOREX account online. You pay a flat $15 fee for the transaction (if it is under $10,000) plus the exchange rate and that is all. Clean and simple. No hidden fees. I have been wracking my brain trying to figure out how to make a $5700 USD payment to Israel for the past month. Reading blogs about loopholes on PayPal, exchange rates, international cross-border fee, commission fees, conversion fees, ETC ETC. After reviewing numerous methods posted by other people trying to save money I realized that Canadian Forex is the absolute best method. Even with a Chase MasterCard, PayPal charges the recepient or sender 3.5% + 30 cents for what they call a cross-border fee. Canadian Forex doesn’t. Just another suggestion that I hope helps you fellow Canadians save. We always get burned financially. It’s so unfair.

  • Bottomline

    I believe that most Credit Cards also charge this fee but it is hidden. Look at your agreement.

    • John Robertson

      The exchange rate for converting from US to Canadian funds as priced by PayPal is about the same rate you get from your bank when converting US to Canadian funds.

      Try this the next time you want to withdraw money from PayPal, note the exchange rate – do a similar setup of the transaction at your bank’s online site. I think you might well find that PayPal is about the same or possibly slightly better than the bank exchange rate for converting US to CDN $.

      This is not of much comfort if you want to simply move USD from PayPal to your USD Canadian bank account…

  • Ana

    I have been charged the PayaPal Currency Exchange Fee for two decades. Imagine how much money was wasted. I will try opening up an account with the Royal Bank and registering the account with PayPal. How easy is it to transfer money from the Royal Bank account to my account at another bank? Many thanks.

  • Richard

    So, with this RBC USA account, people who purchase products in the USA with USA dollars, it will be deposited into my paypay account once registered with RBC?

  • Owen

    I’m in Canada. An American online vendor I have been dealing with for years has forced customers to use Paypal for payment. The Vendor charged me in $CAN. Paypal charged me slightly for than 2.5% more than that amount to pay the vendor in USD.

    If I understand this workaround correctly, the USD RBC account will be linked to my Paypal account and, as long as there are funds in that account, and I instruct Paypal to obtain the funds from that account, I will also avoid the fees like those just described?

    Also, as Canadians, are we permitted by Paypal to have linked, for example, a Canadian bank account, a Canadian credit card, AND a USD account simultaneously?

    • Hi Owen,

      I will answer best I can.

      If I understand this workaround correctly, the USD RBC account will be linked to my Paypal account and, as long as there are funds in that account, and I instruct Paypal to obtain the funds from that account, I will also avoid the fees like those just described?

      If you are moving money from the USD RBC account into your Paypal you should incur no fees that I know of. That being said, I rarely fund my Paypal account – I withdraw funds from it. Prior to making an attempt Paypal will present the entire financial terms of the transaction. This would be the same with any bank account linked to Paypal – all of this to the best of my knowledge.

      Also, as Canadians, are we permitted by Paypal to have linked, for example, a Canadian bank account, a Canadian credit card, AND a USD account simultaneously?

      I do not know the official Paypal policy on this. I have the above all linked in my account right now and have not had issues for quite a few years now (4+). But again, I do not know what the official Policy states. If you happen to learn it please return and share the knowledge!

      Thanks for the thoughtful questions,
      Simon

  • Myles

    Is this still the case in 2015? I just opened a USD account with Scotia.

  • Myles

    This does not work.

    After a lot of hassle I finally set up a US high interest eSavings account. I sent my $2100 USD from paypal to my RBC account and it all showed up just fine. When I went to withdraw the cash (today), the exchange rate was 1.2583. I checked with PayPal (again, today) and the exchange rate is 1.26204.

    This method cost me $10 and several hours of my life. Would not recommend.

  • Ben

    Looks like this no longer works Paypal wont let you setup the account this way, they dont like the routing number

  • I want to give a big THANK YOU to you. I set up my bank account on Thursday last week, made the transfer to RBC from my PayPal account the same day and the funds literally showed up on Friday and I made a withdrawal. It was a seamless process from start to finish it took me 35 minutes and that included walking to the branch to open the account! Plus my Paypal Business name and my RBC bank account names are different and it went through fine. Now I just need to figure out the foreign exchange currency.

    All my regular banking is done through TD but I have an ING now Tangerine bank account and thought I would do the transfer through them. Do you have any thoughts about using them for foreign exchange?

    • Very happy it worked for you.

      As mentioned in the article, I don’t use a bank for my F/X transactions. I use Knightsbridge, regularly enough, that opening an account with them is worth it. I think I have paid . I am not sure ING is even doing F/X. And the big banks will all take 2-3% (of your money) to do the conversion, from my experience.

      Take a look at the last italicized paragraph of the article for my opinion on getting less than 1% F/X rate charges. Yes, you will need to make an account and prove you aren’t trying to launder money, but if you make a few transactions the savings really add up.

      Feel free to send me an email via my contact page as well if you need more information – happy to help!

  • cm

    I’m currently wait from Paypal to confirm my new RBC US Saving account…
    I was wondering for step #10, do I need a hyphen or a space between the transit and account number? Doesn’t make any difference?

    How long does the small deposits usually take to go thru? I set it up over the labour day long weekend…

  • Bryan

    In case anyone is wondering, this still works! Just follow the steps exactly how they are. I did it with my RBC U.S. High Interest eSavings account. Don’t forget the 5 digit transit number before you enter your account number, as it only asks for the “account number” on the paypal website. No spaces or hyphens either. Good luck!

    • Thanks for the update in October 2015.

    • Mac

      How did you get this to work

      I keep getting cannot add a bank at this time

      MMac

      • Ben

        It doesn’t work for me either, I’ve tried a hundred times. I sent PayPal an email asking what Im doing wrong and they say a Canadian PayPal account cannot add a US Bank account :(

        • Bryan

          1. Click “Link a Bank Account”
          2. On the page that says “Choose from one of these common banks” Select “I have a different bank”
          3. On the next page, change the Country to United States.
          4. Under “Bank Name” Type in “Royal Bank of Canada”
          5. Choose checking or savings account. I did it with my RBC U.S. High Interest eSavings account
          6. Using routing number 026004093
          7. Under account number, you include the 5 digit transit number first, then the actual account number. No spaces, no dashes! Just one long continuous number
          Note for #7: When you login to online banking on the RBC website. On the “Accounts Summary” page, you should see your RBC U.S. High Interest eSavings account. The first 5 digits beside that account are the transit number. Then there is a dash, then the account number. Those are all the numbers you need.
          8. You should be all set! They will then make 2 small deposits to your account. It took 3 business days for me. Then you verify those deposits on your paypal account.

          I hope this helps! Reply again if it doesn’t.

          • Ben

            :( Sadly, still no love. Mine is the RBC USD U.S. Personal Account I wonder if that makes a difference :( Man PayPal is making a killing off us

          • Bryan

            Ben, open the RBC U.S. High Interest eSavings account. There is no monthly fee. you just only get 1 debit/withdrawal per month included. Trust me, it works with that account and you will save some fees! If you use the Kinghtsbridge FX trade (minimum $5000 transaction though) you can work around that 1 debit limit per month. They withdraw the funds from the US account, and deposit it in Canadian to the account of your choice.

          • cm

            Hi Ben,

            thank you for the detailed steps.
            I have tried this many times with my RBC high interest account, but it just won’t link
            =/

            Did this work for you on the first try? I have no idea why this won’t work.

            thank you,
            CM

          • peter

            does this only work with an RBC USD account for some reason?
            I have a USD Savings account at Tangerine but it does not seem to have the requisite 9 digit routing code.
            any suggestions? (I’ve got $1000 USD sitting in Paypal and I am going to lose about 4-5% converting it to CAD, due to Paypals egregiously bad fx rates.)

          • peter

            I am failing too.
            I opened an RBC USD eSavings account.

            First failure was because I didn’t include the transit number in my account number.

            Corrected that and Paypal seemed to be doing it’s thing but it failed again.
            Possible sources are error could be:
            1) I used my own name for the bank “RBC USD”
            2) I might have specified Savings instead of Chequing. The name of the account is “eSavings” but when I login I see that the account is actually labeled “Chequing”
            3. the account balance is currently zero and so if there are fees involved in receiving those test payments from Paypal, RBC might have rejected them because they couldn’t cover the fees.

            Speaking with the bank now (RBC) they say that there are no fees charged on a wire of under $50 (so possible error 3 should not be a factor)
            They did though say that the routing number they thought I should be using was 021000021 (but I am sticking with the 026004093 reported here as working)

            They also confirmed that this is a Chequing account (and I might have specified “Savings” based on the “eSavings” name of the account.)

            So I am trying again specifying the exact bank name “Royal Bank of Canada” and “Chequing”

            However, now, on retrying, I am getting a message from Paypal saying “You cannot add a bank at this time”.
            What’s up with THAT now?

          • Tom

            Peter:
            First things first, you should not be contacting the bank regarding these matters – fly under the radar – these websites alone might draw too much attention and ruin a great thing for all of us.
            Secondly, when logging on to paypal.com make sure that you choose the correct bank (choose bank/I have a different bank) and make sure that you choose United States. Do not choose RBC on the first page. Enter the bank’s name as Royal Bank of Canada.
            I am pretty sure that I checked off savings account – not checking.
            Use the correct routing number 026004093.
            Make certain that the account you have with RBC is a RBC U.S. High Interest eSavings account – that is the one that works.

          • peter

            Thanks Tom
            I did not mention Paypal at all in my conversation with RBC. So I don’t think they are alarmed (and I don’t think that RBC would be the problem anyway. The trouble would be with Paypal I expect.)

            Though RBC did require me to physically visit a branch last week to provide IDs etc. so I do not believe this can be done completely online

            I have confirmed that I opened correct account “RBC U.S. High Interest eSavings”

            The problem seems now to be with Paypal. For some reason they are giving me an error message “You cannot add a bank at this time”

            I was about to call Paypal to try to understand that but I expect THEY are the operation we don’t want to tip off (Paypal are the people taking advantage of their inflexibility and outrageously bad FX rates).

            Calling them could well be a red flag that we are all trying this work-around that they don’t want to be available.

            So, I’ll hold off on calling Paypal for the moment in the hopes that someone here can guide me around this “cannot add a bank at this time” roadblock.

          • Tom

            With regards to paypal not allowing you to add an account, the following was copied & pasted from:
            https://bradt.ca/blog/transfer-from-paypal-to-a-us-dollar-account-at-a-canadian-bank/

            “Ok folks, I finally got this working after months of trying (I opened the no-fee USD Savings account with RBC). This is how to get it to work… If you get the “You Cannot Add a Bank Account at this Time” yellow error window which appears at the top of the screen when you have tried to submit the bank details, it is actually due to a security block on your Paypal account (which is fairly standard). I only learnt this when I tried Adding an Account live with a Paypal assistant over the phone. He could see the error message I generated as I submitted the form (and gets more info as to why – which Paypal doesn’t give us as the customer). So if you get this error message, get on the phone to Paypal. The initial person you will speak to isn’t a specialist (don’t waste you time with them as they will tell you “you can’t do that”), so ask to speak to someone about “improving currency rates” or “business accounts”. Explain to this specialist person that you are trying to link your USD account with RBC in Canada. They will ask for your account details. Then try to add the bank account. They should see the security block. They should then manually lift this block. As soon as he did that, it let me submit the account, and I am now waiting for the test transaction to verify the account. Finally! Phew!
            (Note: if you speak to a specialist and they say you can’t do it, tell them you are going to close your Paypal account unless they sort it. Worked for me).”

            I didn’t bother reading the rest of the message thread, but I hope it helps. I probably would state to the Paypal rep that the RBC was a Canadian bank physically located in the states. – sort of like the American TD banks…

          • peter

            Thanks Tom.
            I did call Paypal last night and it did indeed seem to be a block on my account (likely for having made 2 failed attempts to link that RBC account)

            They didn’t seem to have any particular concern and they just reloaded the link request. (Turns out on my 2nd try I had specified SAVINGS when in fact this eSavings account is actually a CHECKING account.)

            We’ll now see if third time lucky the confirmation deposits finally hit the account. I’ll report back on the results.

            Peter

          • peter

            Hmmm, well it’s been a week since I spoke to Paypal and had them relaunch the verification deposits. But nothing has appeared in my RBC account as yet. Something is not working right.
            RBC tells me that this account cannot accept a direct deposit, only a wire. (But I am never confident these CS reps know what they are talking about.)

            I don’t know what to do next or how anyone else has recently managed to make this work.

            To confirm, I set up my account with these parameters:
            Location: United States
            Name: Royal Bank
            Routing: 026004093 (as the instructions here explicitly state, even though RBC says the correct routing number should be 021000021)
            Account type: Chequing (this account shows as Chequing even though the name is “RBC U.S. High Interest eSavings”)
            Account number: 06702452xxxx (my bank’s 5 digit transit number + my 7 digit account code.

            Any suggestions?

  • Mac

    Hi All,

    Thanks for all the suggestions – I did get this to work but I needed to call Paypal call centre and they did something and then it accepted
    Ben I suggest you do the same

    Mac

    • cm

      Hi Mac,

      when you called what did you tell them?
      I tried calling them, and all they would do was set it up as a Canadian account, even tho I told them it was a US account and gave them routing number 026004093.

      thanks,
      CM

  • terri s

    november 2015 and it still works. I did not even have to wait till I had money is paypal, just added the account selecting us bank, writing in Royal Bank of Canada (choose option to enter bank name manually) entering the routing code. I already had an RBC online acct so I was able to add the US high interesr esavings online too. took all of 8 minutes between setting both up. now just awaiting the verification deposits.

  • Owen

    PayPal’s transaction fees are changing in the first quarter of this year for Canadians selling to US customers. It will be nearly 5% for most people with the flat 1% additional fee. This does not include a conversion rate markup. I don’t do enough business with US customers paying via PayPal to know whether this is significantly worse than the present situation. Can anyone comment? The answer may render this thread irrelevant for excessive US to Canada Paypal transaction fees.

  • Noel

    Thank you very much for this article. I followed the instructions and it worked.

  • Namaste

    Wow and bloody WOW,WOW again! To just say this worked for me, if so very far from the gratitude I feel having now jumped through this rather simple hoop of using RBC. Two days ago I drove…. sorry it’s winter and well past my marathon running… I drove into the city and while it took some 35 minutes to set up the US$ Saving A/C I ran a few more errands, headed home and then moved through the PPal process as outlined and added my info. PP accepted the info and as part of that I accepted an automated phone call to verify…. non-cabron based person — I typed in the 4 no’s and it was accepted. Just a Day and 1/2 later — (hour or so ago) I logged on to my new RBC a/c and Woppeee…. there was the two small deposits from PPF….. all of 0.09 ¢ in each a/c. Logged out then into my PP a/c and located the relevant section for withdrawal and saw the CONFIRM highlighted next to RBC, clicked it and it asked me to enter the two amounts as shown… i.e. 0.09 (had to be exactly as shown in RBC a/c) . DId that and BINGO i was set to go. How the heck did our Genie come to know the swift a/c number for the US RBC is not known and don’t care. Thanks a Bundle for the info. TIred bloody tired of being ‘ripped off’ by feeBay then it’s affiliate PP’ twice then again with the exchange rate. Where do I send the case of wine?

    • Namaste,

      Thanks so much for the gratitude – much appreciated.

      I am very happy you were able to use this article to get your bank set up properly.

      Enjoy!

      P.S. If you want to send a bottle of wine, check out our contact form. ;)

      Seriously, just happy this post helped you save on fees. Fees decimate wealth.

    • Namaste

      THE PROOF is indeed within what you see on your RBC US$ Saving A/C. I have been waiting for the final PROOF as it were, i.e. a transfer of US$ from PP to my ‘new escape route’ into that A/C. Well I had checked it twice today and now it’s 3rd time lucky. Behold, there before me was the $100.00– now $100.18 –tks to PP — total. I am truly grateful. I have already had this weekend made as a Great Weekend. Phew and Wooopee . . . all at once. Muchas Gracias, Merci Beaucoup !

  • fiddleeedee

    Spent half a month trying to get a US funds Canadian account into paypal before realizing it wasn’t possible. Then Paypal telling me I need to open a US paypal account and then me figuring out I need a US address and then them telling me it’s not possible and there is no workaround.

    Just signed up for an RBC US high interest savings account and we’ll see if the funds deposit in the next couple of days.

  • Mike

    Does the eSaving account able to transfer fund to the paypal account? I have the paypal account linked to eSaving as I confirmed the two small deposit, but when I attempted to move money from eSaving to paypal, it failed.

    • fiddleeedee

      Same thing happened to me… Does this method work this way?

    • fiddleeedee

      2 months now into paypal support and I still haven’t been able to transfer funds from my bank account to Paypal but the account is verified fine and works the opposite way.

      They give me some new reason everytime that it isn’t working including… “try another browser and call back in a week when it fails” and “try a smaller amount” and “try an even smaller amount”, “clap your hands 3 times and spin around in your seat, then hit add money”.

      Seems like a ruse to keep me paying exorbitant exchange fees.

  • peter

    UPDATE: well, after calling Royal Bank AGAIN, I asked them to confirm the type of account this eSavings account is. Apparently even though it shows as a “Chequing” account in my Accounts Summary, it is in fact a “Savings ” account. (This is all very confusing)
    So, while confusing, this might be the problem. I am calling Paypal now to ask that they RElaunch the confirmation deposits but specifying Savings instead of Chequing. I’ll report on my progress.

    OK, Paypal made the switch but interestingly instead of reissuing the small confirmation deposits, they just said “Ok, that account is now confirmed and ready to use”.
    I am still not clear how they know I didn’t mess up on the account numbers or transit number.

    Oh well, here goes nothing. I’ve requested a full withdrawl of the USD balance of my Paypal account.
    Given that nothing else has worked smoothly with this Paypal-RBC USD account connection so far, we’ll see if the funds actually arrive in my account.

    Peter

  • Nadeem

    It works! The entire process (opening an account with RBC to see money in my US$ account) took just 2 days.

    Open a no-fee esaving account with RBC
    Same day I added banking info into my Paypal as below:

    Country – USA
    Account type – Saving (RBS website says Chequing, but I put Saving)
    Routing # 026004093
    Account # 000000000000 (5 digit transit and 7 digits account#, no space in between)

    After adding new banking info, I got an automated call from Paypal to verify my ID
    Next step to verify your Bank account (Paypal deposit 2 small amount on my new US$ account)
    Final step transfer fund from your Paypal balance to your bank account

    Next business day Paypal transferred fund to my US$ account and the same time made two small deposit for verification purpose.

    Note: I transferred fund even before verifying account, and it went through.

    I guess you don’t have to verify your bank account to receive money, but you must verify your account to transfer money from your Bank Account to Paypal.

    RBC staff know nothing about routing # and type of account, this website gives you all the info you ever need, just follow the steps in this article and you will rock.

    Thanks for the great info in this website.

    Happy reader!

    • Glad it helped. You are correct – follow the steps and it will work!

    • fiddleeedee

      Were you able to transfer funds from your bank account to Paypal? Please share how that worked because for the life of me I haven’t been able to do it.

      • Nadeem

        No, I haven’t tried yet.

        I’m planning to use US$ visa card (also from RBC) for purchases made from Paypal so at the end of the month I can pay Visa balance from my US$ back account.

    • KEN

      hey nadeem,
      will it work for my Canadian paypal account or do i need to have US paypal account.
      Apparently i opened US saving account with CIBC and it didn’t work cause i have canadian paypal.
      Thanks

      • Nadeem

        Hi KEN,

        It should work with Canadian Paypal account, above workaround is to use Canadian Paypal with Canadian RBC USD bank account.

        I see you have USD bank account with CIBC, not sure if CIBC work or not. I had a USD account with TD that didn’t work. So far RBC seems to work fine.

        If you don’t have already, open a USD High-Interest Saving account with RBC, it’s free with no monthly fee.

        Regards,

        • ken

          Thanks Nadeem,
          So are you saying you already gt RBC account working fine with canadian paypal.
          When did you open that account?
          I read at lot of places that even RBC is not working anymore.

          Thanks Alot for your time
          regards
          ken

          • Nadeem

            Yes, RBC account working fine with Canadian Paypal.
            I opened it 3 months ago.

            Make sure you follow above article step by step, it’s very important that you choose ‘USA’ as bank country and US routing number.

            btw – last month I also opened a USD Business account (monthly fee) with RBC and that also working fine.

        • ken

          thanks alot nadeem

  • jasper

    Will this work both on paypal.ca and paypal.com or only paypal.com?

    • KEN

      Hey Jasper,
      Did you figure out if RBC Us $ works with Paypal.ca
      or do we need US paypal account?
      Apparently, my Paypal.ca didn worked w/ CIBC US $ account :(

  • jen

    I found a website which gives a few other routing numbers

    http://internationalswiftcode.blogspot.com/2012/05/s-part-2.html

    I have searched the site and found
    US Routing TORONTO DOMINION BK 026003243
    US Routing THE BANK OF NOVA SCOTIA 026002532
    US Routing NATIONAL BANK OF CANADA, 026005487

    and of course
    US Routing ROYAL BANK OF CANADA 026004093

  • KEN

    Hi Guys ,
    Do i need to have US paypal account to do the transfer to RBC US account??.
    Apparently, i opened US account with CIBC and it didn’t work. CIBC told me i might need to open US paypal account to hook it up with UScibc account.

  • Adrian Law

    SPF, I have a question.
    I have both US account (Bank of America) and Canadian accounts (BMO and Tangerine). I recently realized that PayPal does not transfer at the exchange rate that is supposed to be. For instance, I deposited 600 USD to my PayPal account from Bank of America. On the transferred day, it was supposed to be around $780 CAD but it appeared to be around $750 on my PayPal account after the deposit was done. So how does your method solve this problem? Cause I already see the ‘deduction’ of around $20 on PayPal even before I transfer the money to my Canadian account from PayPal. ‘Adding Money’ on Paypal is basically transferring money from your bank account to PayPal and ‘Withdraw’ is transferring that money to your account. I am just a little confused so I want to clarify.

  • brent

    Ok–latest news on the $us out of paypal and into rbc $us account in Canada via New York city routing number —i HAVE A CONFIRMED RBC $US high interest savings account with Paypal–received the 2 deposits–was linked and actually withdrew my $us balance successfully. However-even after acknowledging the USA based branch—it doesn’t stop paypal from converting every clients payment in $us into $ca simply because you are a Canadian addressed account—-In essence if you are Canadian–you can no longer hold a $us balance—-Loophole closed–PAYPAL WINS!!???

    • Is your account currency CAD or USD? If you set it up as CAD being the primary currency I believe the host will apply f/x fees.

      • scoyote

        The currency is set up priority $us—The account is a $us account and is confirmed,
        I have managed to withdraw 5k $us balance to my rbc $us account in Canada–but because i have a paypal canada account—all my clients paying in $us have had their payments conveerted to $ca
        I am unable to maintain a $us dollar account balance because i’m canadian –bottom line.
        This really affects my ability to purchase stateside via paypal—and it’s crazy to re-convert to $us to do business–that would be a double hit at rip off rates. This is something new Paypal has employed in the last 3 weeks and i suppose Canadians that use Paypal will just have to suck it up—Brent

  • scoyote

    Yes you can follow the work around steps and be successful in linking the account —great to move your $us to your canadian rbc account on a withdrawal of existing $us account balance.
    Hoever paypal has taken steps to convert all client payments in $us into $ca—making it impossible to have a $us balance in your account unless you welcome a double hit to get things back to $us—As you can guess the rates are hugely favoring Paypal—If someone has a work around for canadians with paypal wanting their balnces and client payments kept in $us—i’d like to hear from you!

    • cedebe

      Assuming I’m understanding you correctly, I haven’t found this to be true. I had two Americans send me funds, in USD, for online purchases and both arrived in my Paypal account as USD. I then transferred them, as USD, to my US account at Banner Bank (WA state). Paypal took their percentage, of course, but this is standard and did not include a forex fee.

      • Jeff

        This has just recently happened to me. Ive been using Paypal for over 10 years and have always received my US funds as US funds but this week for the first time my last two payments have been automatically converted to Canadian. I called PayPal and they mentioned they are having some glitches in their system and will notify me once its been rectified. Not sure how long this will take.

        • scoyote

          I had Paypal IT people correct the auto converting and then it happened once again. This time around customer service suggested that i change my preferences. I responded that i had preferences set to accepting $us only. I went to money preference>getting paid>block payments>update>allow different currency and convert to $us.—–Didn’t make a whole lot of sense since i had preferred payment in $us already—-BUT–it worked and all payments come through in $us now

  • calum hawker

    Just what I was looking for. I am sure there are many people who are faced with the same problems I recently had.

  • colin

    I was going to explore this with RBC but then discovered global money transfer available though my CIBC with is now setup and works nicely to move money over 3-4 business days from Canada to my US account in california at the bank rate, not the paypal rate. No need to use Paypal as the middle man anymore!

    • scoyote

      I’m with cibc as well and made a bank to bank transfer(no fees) converted to $au quite reasonable i thought. I did make the mistake of transferring a “care package ” to daughter in Australia via Paypal—needed it expediated but did i ever pay for it!.Small amounts don’t hurt too much –but with larger sums you will take a real beating with paypal fees.

  • Heather

    Hmm… I just set up a Canadian $US account through Scotiabank but thought I’d check out this workaround. Using a US transit code (or whatever) doesn’t sound ethical to me. I’m just going to have to suck it up and pay the fee for accepting $US and hope I can write off that fee at tax time.

    • IMO this has nothing to do with ethics. You use a valid transit code provided by a specific bank and link your legal account at that bank to your Paypal account.

      Paypal offers a service to process f/x at a very high rate.

      Paypal clients are presented with a way to use a f/x service of their choice using this method.

      At tax time you can still have incurred a business expense either way.

      So why pay the higher fee and take profit out of your business?

  • Victor

    Hi everyone, thank you very much for sharing the workaround information for linking your Canadian Paypal account with a $US account in RBC bank (Canada).This is very helpful for avoiding those currency conversion fees Paypal charge, but I am not a fan of RBC myself. Just personal preference…

    I just wanted to share with you that recently I switched to BMO from CIBC and found out that is possible to link your $US savings account at BMO with Paypal Canada with no trouble… I tried doing this before with a $US account I have with CIBC and no luck there… Is there anyone else banking with BMO who have tried this and also worked?

    Thanks,
    Victor

  • Loren

    I had this set up with my RBC US high interest savings account for a year and a half and it was working flawlessly until last week. Now all of my transfers to my account are being rejected by RBC. Neither Paypal, nor RBC is being at all helpful at figuring out why this is happening. The best advice they can give is to unlink and re-link the account in paypal, which I guess I’m going to try. I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced this problem and maybe RBC is cracking down or something.

  • Loren

    Just as a follow up to this comment, I have just been told by an RBC representative that their policies have changed regarding these US accounts and that I’ll have to go to a branch and fill out a direct deposit form and give to paypal? Not really sure what’s up with all that all of a sudden, but I guess that’s my next move. Hopefully it’s all straight forward and I can get this set up again, I’ll keep y’all posted.

    • Loren

      Sorry for so many posts, but I just have another update after talking to Paypal. I decided to call them again after hearing that I have to go into RBC to get some kind of form. The Paypal rep was very nice and she read through a description of this issue that’s been documented with Paypal as I guess the problem is becoming widespread. Apparently, the information for these USD linked accounts was incorrect and RBC was manually correcting the information on each transfer. RBC has decided to stop doing these manual corrections and instead force the customer to properly link the account to Paypal. I’m not sure why RBC couldn’t just give me the information over the phone that I need, but I have a bad feeling about this. I’m guessing that when I go into my branch to get the correct information, they’ll either tell me that I can’t link my canadian based US dollar account to a Canadian paypal account, or they will give me some routing number that will not work for setting up the account in paypal. I fear this workaround may be coming to an end. I would really like to hear if others are experiencing difficulties with RBC.

      • Margaret

        Hi Loren,
        The same thing is happening to me with my RBC USD linked account. Unfortunately, it is also happening with my RBC Bank USD domiciled account. Were you able to obtain the necessary form from RBC? Any information you have would be appreciated.

        • Loren

          Alas, I have some humble admissions. First, I didn’t go into the branch to get the forms, I just read on the internet that many people were now having problems with the old workaround, so as described below, I opened an RBC Bank USA account, with the reasons all outlined in detail also below. My confirmation of the RBC Bank USA account worked just fine, and I confirmed my paypal account using the two small amounts that were deposited. However, when I tried to actually withdraw money to the account, it came back again as returned. Irritated, called RBC bank, who told me it should have worked just fine. I called Paypal and after a long and frustrating conversation, they finally looked into it deeper and found that the reason my withdrawals were being refused is that my paypal address did not match the address I had associated with my bank account. I have two mailing addresses… one for my house and one for a P.O. box I have. Because I was always having to switch during paypal checkouts, I switched my default address to the other one a while ago. So, I fixed that and decided to try to withdraw to my RBC Royal Bank high interest esavings account again to see if that was the original problem, and lo and behold it was. So I’ve rambled on here for nothing, it seems. however, in my google efforts, I’m still convinced that this workaround may be coming to an end. I’m going to keep my RBC Bank USA account that I just opened for the reasons I listed below as it adds some convenience for me for my trips to the USA. I sincerely apologize to all that have ready my ramblings here stating that this no longer works as it still worked for me after I corrected my address to the one that matches the one with the bank.

          • Margaret

            Thanks for clarifying. I contacted Paypal again. This time the agent said I should try changing my address. I’ve always used my PO Box and this is the address that the banks have as well. I guess some things have changed between RBC and TD and Paypal’s partner bank (Wells Fargo). PO Boxes are no longer acceptable. You need a physical address. With that knowledge, I changed my mailing address to my physical address, with the PO Box on the second line….Voila! Withdrawal processed to my TD Bank (George) account. Just waiting to see if a similar withdrawal will go through to RBC Bank.

          • Loren

            Confirmed that now that my address is correct, withdrawals work to both my RBC Royal bank account (Canada) and my RBC Bank account (USA) once I corrected my paypal default address to match the address associated with the bank accounts. I think I’ll still keep the RBC bank account open for now for the added features mentioned when travelling to the US. All of these posts could have been avoided if the first Paypal rep I talked to would have just dug into it more and told me what the second one told me about the address.

    • Loren

      Note also that after browsing the internet, it seems like Amazon sellers, who were also using this workaround have run into the same issue that it no longer works with RBC. Many are posting that you now have to open an RBC USA account, link your paypal or amazon to that account for transferring funds, then do a transfer between your RBC USA account and your RBC Canada high interest US savings account (which apparently is easy and seamless).

      • These updates are greatly appreciated Loren.

        Are there fees for the RBC USA account?

        • Loren

          Well, I applied for the RBC Bank USA checking account (3.95 per month) online with not much difficulty. Requires a signature card and IRS form (formality to declare your tax exempt status with them that is filed with the bank and not the IRS). I applied on Friday and was approved on Monday, when they gave me the routing number and account number. I set up the account in my paypal wallet and the two small deposits went through and I was able to confirm them today in paypal. Also, I was able to link both the RBC Bank USA account and the RBC Royal Bank USD account through the RBC Bank USA online banking so I can easily transfer USD from one account to the other with no fees. Other than the $3.95 per month, which is a bit of a piss off, it all seems pretty good. I travel to the USA a lot, so the ability to use the debit card in gas pumps and POS machines and ATM’s in the US is going to be a bonus for me. I also will be able to transfer funds to my friends in Texas as I impose on them sometimes to do things for me. I actually don’t mind the monthly fee to get these extra features.

      • Loren

        Yes, unfortunately. I guess there wasn’t previously, but there is now. For their basic chequing account, you pay USD $3.95 (paperless) per month (not bad) and you get 10 monthly debit transactions free, then $1 per transaction after that. No interest earned on balance, $50 minimum deposit to open. There’s also a premium account option for $9.95 per month (or $99.95 per year), unlimited transactions and interest on balance.

        Downside to this method: you need to open two accounts instead of one. Also, you’re potentially involved with the IRS now, but I don’t really believe that’s going to be the case for most people. If you’re doing a huge amount of business in the U.S. and are going to be transferring paypal balances to RBC Bank USA and then to RBC Royal bank, then it might gain the attention of the IRS. There are income tax treaties between the two countries to ensure you don’t get taxed on the same income twice, but you’d have to consult a cross border tax accountant / consultant to make sure you’re doing things the right way. You should be doing that anyway if you’re doing a lot of business there.

        Upside to this method: You can obtain a debit card (and credit card too if you want) from RBC Bank USA for this account that will work in ATM’s, gas pumps and point of sale debit machines in the U.S. You would be able to pay off the Credit card (if you choose to get one) balance from the chequing account. As well, many online purchase from the US can only be made with a U.S. credit card, so that’s another benefit. Additionally, you can link both your RBC Royal bank High interest USD account to your Royal Bank USA chequing account through the same internet banking login (from either side) and transfer between accounts without fees.

        I haven’t gone to RBC Royal Bank Canada to see what they say yet, but I will in the next week or so. Apparently, you can open the RBC Bank USA from the RBC Royal bank Canada branches or you can do it online. I imagine if you do it online, you’ll still have to go into a branch to verify the account and make the USD $50 deposit before they’ll activate it.

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